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Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

What Anet Really Needs to Do is Make the Trade System MORE effective. The Simple Party Search then post: "WTB Blah Blah Blah," isn't At all detailed. In addition, it ONLY works in the town they're now in (Districts and All...). Though the party search method of trading is one step closer to being very useful, it lacks the proper aspects to how to interest buyers and sellers. To elaborate more, After a player types in the "WTB /or WTS Blah blah blah..." and selects the option trade, there needs to be a NEW window that opens up more useful options. Such options are "Method of Trade" (Selling, Trading, Buying). Then another option would be like "Method of Transaction" (Transfer to Player, or Transfer to Storeage. But.... W/e What the party search needs to do is:

1) Allow Players to Give DETAILED EXPLANATIONS about there item
2) Allow Other Players That Are Currently in that w/e Campaign See your Advertisement
3) Allow The Player to select ways of selling or buying or trading. (eBay Style or The Classic "Pay Me This amount.")
4) Seperate Trade From "Party Search" (Have its OWN Window)
5) Make trades Scam Free, by allowing players to trade in huger sums of Gold.
6) After a Trade is Complete, there should be like a receipt of the time you traded, district, with whom, w/e (For Report Issues)

These are some of the little ideas I'd hope to see. If these are made into the game, you'll surely see less or virtually no spamming in local channel about trade. All because this method offers people on both ends LESS HASSALE.

I could tell you some of the hassales to trading but I think yall know about that part really well!

Whisper Evenstar · Jan 05, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Party search needs to be updated to allow as much text as the chat channels before anyone will start to use it.... its far too short in length to be useful atm (i hate spamming, so try to use it anyway).

If Anet could make this simple fix it would help a lot - a better system like an auction house is prob best for long term tho....

Vandal2k6 · Jan 05, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Again, the most wanted addition to the game? I think so. I know Anet has made a kind of effort with the search panel trade section, and maybe, just maybe it was a temp. thing before they release the real trade house (hope so). Anyway, you see anyone spamming chat with trade, harras em, they soon stop.

Carmine · Jan 05, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

As I argued in a post a few months ago, rather than improvement of the system or punishment of spammers, the best solution is for ANet to issue a clear statement of their position on tradespamming to spammers.

Furthermore, they need to let us know publicly and blatantly that they DO give bans (of exponentially increasing lengths for repeated offenses) to spammers to discourage spamming.

Anyway, I also don't buy or sell to people spamming the local channel with trade messages. However...I do whisper them to tell them that I have what they want, and that I won't sell it to them because they aren't using the trade channel.

I have encouraged a few people to use the trade channel by asking them politely to use the trade channel for buying or selling. Some people are quite rude in response, but some are nice and agree to do it...and some don't even know what the trade channel is...

As for the Auction House---this is just like the "give us mounts" request: this isn't World of Warcraft, so don't expect it to be. The search panel is great for trading, and the only improvement we need is a mouseover system to see an item being sold, and a convenient way to sell multiple items (such as the massive numbers of weapon mods lying around...with a rune trader, why not a max mod trader?).

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Why is it that everyone has to relate MMORPGs to WoW..... Asherons Call 2 was so much more better than WoW and came out far before WoW was released. for one thing you were able to summon huge Dragons and have them fight by your side, and they also had mounts and travel places.... Off topic, btw....

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this is just like the "give us mounts" request: this isn't World of Warcraft, so don't expect it to be.

Off Topic Btw.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 05, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Lift the limit on the ignore list :3

Riken Chrono · Jan 06, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Let them spam. Payed $50 or more for it, so let them do what they want. I'm sure most people don't play the game to satisfy other people. They play it to satisfy themself.

Former Ruling · Jan 06, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

An Auction House will not stop Trade Spam like some suggested. The Auction House WOULD be an effective way to buy and sell things faster, but it doesn't do much for spam.

Just like someone said on Page 1, There'd just be "WTS [Blah Blah Blah] IN TEH AUCTIONS !@@!@!!!!", I know this because of WoW >_>

Phoenix Ex · Jan 06, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

It will at least help. For one people like me would abandon the trade channel altogether if an auction house is (ever) implemented. If anything they should implement it anyways, I am sick and tired of having to spam in town all day long to sell anything.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 06, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

It will at least help. For one people like me would abandon the trade channel altogether if an auction house is (ever) implemented. If anything they should implement it anyways, I am sick and tired of having to spam in town all day long to sell anything.

Maybe it's because you are spamming............

enxa · Jan 17, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

The advantages of an auction house are obvious and theyve all been named in this thread, as well as the point that an AH wouldnt prevent spam. But there is one way it can be prevented, even without the AH, and i reckon it wouldnt require much coding either.

A certain competitor mmorpg has an 'item linking' system. A player clicks on an item while holding the shift key, and the item appears linked in chat. When someone clicks on this link, they get a small window which shows all stats of that item. So this eliminates the need to write very long messages with the stats of the item, just "WTS [item name] 10k". how does this prevent spamming? Simple - item linking is only possible in the trade channel! Also, there can be a filter that can disable the same link appearing more than say twice in ten seconds, so there is no spam in trade channel either. W.T.S. and such variations of WTS now cannot fool the filtering system.

I personally think this would do much more to prevent spamming than AH, but still, the AH would still provide more ease with trading because it eliminates the need to spend half an hour typing WTS in chat. So, implementing both would be THE solution.

As player of both games and by my own estimate, i can say that the spam level is at least ten times lower with these two solutions, as well that i am much more wealthier too.

So plx consider something like this. Even as another separate campaign. I would buy it for sure, solely for this.

rong626 · Jan 18, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

ah well the party search system did not reduce the spams.
spamming is breaking the user-agreement too but i see no point in reporting them.

Tempy · Jan 18, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Riken Chrono

Let them spam. Payed $50 or more for it, so let them do what they want. I'm sure most people don't play the game to satisfy other people. They play it to satisfy themself.

That attitude is exactly what is wrong with most of the GW community...So because they paid 50.00 they get to ruin my game or anyone elses. Obviously, its not just me that it bothers. All of us shouldn't have to adapt our game play for those that will not use the PROPER venues for trade...and if you read the EULA/Rules of Conduct...spamming a channel or using it improperly is mentioned outright.

The Silver Star · Jan 18, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

I vote for an auction house, and to teach the Local channel traders a lesson A-net should one day ban everybody that sues it for a week.

I was a weapon trader and i admit i did spam in TRADE chat but thats because you sort of have to, to gain anybodys attention because it quickly gets lost in other peoples spam.

enxa · Jan 18, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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I was a weapon trader and i admit i did spam in TRADE chat but thats because you sort of have to, to gain anybodys attention because it quickly gets lost in other peoples spam.

Partially its true that you sort of have to spam, but not because of other peoples spam (well it contributes certanly alot) but because a trade system that focuses on such simple chat system is utterly ineficient.

Why do people spam? Because other peope spam too? Why do other people spam? Theyre noobs? Dont think so. Theyre frustrated and bored and just want to get the job over with? Yes. But why are they frustrated...

Even if nobody spammed, even if everyone wrote just one message line in trade, some places like Kaineng Centre are just so crowded that your message goes off the chat window in seconds. So, a potential buyer (or seller) has only seconds to spot your message. In other words, the THE TRADE SYSTEM RELIES ON PURE LUCK.

Its like lottery, buying more tickets will give you greater winning chance than just one ticket, spamming increases chances of 'winning'.

To prevent this, you may try to go to a less crowded place. Seems like a good idea. But you would loose the benefits of a larger player popuation and market. So this incrases the chances your message will be seen, but decreases the chances that someone whould be interested in it. Again, you count on luck.

I hope you, and Anet people if any of them read this, understood my point.

I dont mean to say i support spamming because i dont, but i mean that the trade system has to have a complete transformation in order to see any improvement. Learn from competitors.

Water Angel · Jan 18, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

think auction house would change nothing.they would just put the announce in auction hosue and still keep spam out of it.

as said before only real solution would be a serious threat.
or at last arena should place moderators in game for watch over channels making sure rules are respected.ALL rules.free insults,racism,sexism,etc etc...a way to make all this dumb kids realise everything is not allowed and there's a respect of others to have other way punished...

Braggi · Jan 18, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

What I'd like to see is a "quick ignore spam" option with a context klick on a chat line. This should do two things:

1) I put the player on a temporary session ignore list, so I don't see his messages any more.
2) The player gets a negative reputation counter (needs some safeguards), as a result his messages will soon be filtered out by everyone who uses the reputation filter, effectively silencing the spammer...

(See Allhakazam Forums to see what I mean. You need automatic safeguards and automatic slow recovery over time to prevent mobbing of a player)

That way annoying other players by spamming is counterproductive, because you become invisible fast...

Another good WoW innovation was the ability to include links to items into chat with a click. Then anyone can get a tooltip just by hovering or clicking the link - this saves a lot of typing and therefor chat space.

enxa · Jan 19, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Water Angel

think auction house would change nothing.they would just put the announce in auction hosue and still keep spam out of it.

I agree. But than, you can turn trade and general chat channles off and still be able to trade. Win-win situation.

Threatening or punishing is something i completely desagree with, no matter how high spam levels are. (virtual) violence is not the solution :P The devs are aware of this and will never do it, if they respect their players.

Water Angel · Jan 20, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54

why should *I* turn channels off? if i woudl trade i have channel trade for that.its not normal me bein forced turn a general chat off cause someone dunno use the trade one.

how abous respeect?why devs should respect people who du nresepct others?you get what u diserve.you prevent other players from having fun and spamin and no respect them so you shouldent be respected and should be prevented from play yourself

enxa · Jan 20, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

@Water Angel

You misunderstood me. Read my post again and maybe you'l get it.

Punishment in any way is never going to happen, because I, the spammer, have paid for the game just as much as you, the one that hates that (but does it anyway), did.